March 21-23, 2018

Mar 21 11:22 Rethinking refugee resettlement?
Mar 21 12:27 Dayton vows MNLARS veto
Mar 21 16:56 Rambling Rose searches for the solution to gun violence

Mar 22 03:30 McCabe assisted by ABC's hatchet job on Jeff Sessions
Mar 22 11:47 Debunking Brenda Cassellius' counterpoint op-ed
Mar 22 20:43 ABM vs. Tim Pawlenty, Round 1

Mar 23 01:22 Jason Lewis's sincerity
Mar 23 08:57 Is Tammy Baldwin in trouble?

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Rethinking refugee resettlement?


Tuesday morning, the Center of Immigration Studies, aka CIS, held a panel discussion on the topic of refugee resettlement. The participating panelists were Don Barnett, a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies and widely published on refugee resettlement and asylum issues, Richard Thompson, the President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center, and St. Cloud City Councilman Jeff Johnson.

Based on the verified information presented during the discussion, it's clear that the United States needs to rethink its refugee resettlement policies, not just for its own good but also for the good of the refugees. During the discussion, moderator Mark Krikorian said that the "point of refugee resettlement should be a last resort for people who literally cannot stay where they are for a second longer." He then highlighted a report from "the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees", which said that just "281 of the over 118,000 refugees, or 0.40 percent, the United Nations has dispatched to safe nations around the world, most to the United States, actually faced threats requiring their immediate removal. This emergency level applies to cases in which the immediacy of security and/or medical condition necessitates removal from the threatening conditions within a few days, if not within hours."

Further, one of the other statistics presented during the event shows that it costs 12 times more to resettle refugees in the United States or other western nations than it costs to resettle refugees within the region of their birth. This information makes this propaganda video virtually irrelevant:

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People need to start asking pro-refugee resettlement organizations whether it's more important to import refugees into unfamiliar surroundings at high prices or whether it's more important to resettle these refugees into regional camps in familiar territory at one-twelfth the cost. If the goal is to improve these refugees' lives, then keeping them in familiar territory is imperative. If the goal is to use a federal government program to pay the salaries for Volag fat-cats, then we shouldn't change anything.

UniteCloud has been a leading advocate for maintaining the status quo on resettlement policy. In this post , UniteCloud spends most of their bandwidth criticizing Jeff Johnson but they made some important admissions:




Much of Jeff's focus has been on Lutheran Social Services, since they are the only refugee resettlement agency in Central MN. He claims that LSS has not been transparent enough and, to some extent, that has been true. Because of the combative nature of some of the attendees at their quarterly meeting, LSS has limited the meeting attendance to 'invite only'.


LSS, aka Lutheran Social Services, hasn't been transparent because they don't want people to know how little they do to earn $1,000 per refugee resettled to the United States.



The truth is that LSS isn't in the resettlement business to help refugees. They're in it because it's a lucrative business that pays the lucrative salaries of their leaders. There's no proof that LSS works with these refugees to teach them about American culture or how to assimilate or, most importantly, access the American Dream. That isn't compassion. That's a racket.

It's time to rethink US refugee resettlement. The goal should be to improve the refugees' lives at the least expensive price. We're failing on both counts right now.



Posted Wednesday, March 21, 2018 11:22 AM

Comment 1 by Mary Labernik at 22-Mar-18 08:35 AM
Jeff Johnson has been our leader regarding this issue. Thank you Jeff for your help.


Dayton vows MNLARS veto


Gov. Dayton promised to veto the House MNLARS bill if it reaches his desk, saying "There's no justification whatsoever for taking that money from other state agencies. I will veto that measure if it's in the bill. I will veto the bill, and then we'll be done."

What Gov. Dayton didn't say is that he's fine with having taxpayers paying extra for his incompetence. It's his administration that failed to successfully implement the MNLARS upgrade. Taxpayers shouldn't pay for his administration's incompetence and virtually nonexistent oversight. In his usually bombastic style, Gov. Dayton accused Republicans of extending the problem for political gain, calling it a "contrivance." Here's a hint for Gov. Dayton: people have seen his administration's incompetence. The people understand that he's at fault for not implementing MNLARS.

Further, the people understand that this isn't the first time the Dayton administration failed in its implementation of a major software upgrade. Before MNLARS, there was MNsure. I'm thankful that we're almost to the end of Gov. Dayton's reign of incompetence.

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Dayton said a veto would end the MNLARS discussion this session. "We'll just have to put MNLARS improvement on hold, and the next administration can take it over," he said.



House Republicans say they want Dayton to take financial responsibility for the MNLARS mess.


It'd be nice if Gov. Dayton actually admitted he'd failed in implementing MNLARS but I'm not holding my breath on that. I'd be happy letting the next governor, who likely will be a Republican, fix Gov. Dayton's mess. We've seen Gov. Dayton's incompetence too often. Jim Knoblach put Gov. Dayton in his place with this statement :




Governor Mark Dayton wants the state to charge a two-dollar "technology fee" beginning in fiscal 2019 for transactions on the state's vehicle registration system to "support fixes of the MNLARS system and provide ongoing maintenance." House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Jim Knoblach from Saint Cloud says that's dead on arrival. "To me, it just adds insult to injury. He's now going to try to charge everyone who uses the system to pay for this disaster. We're not gonna do that," Knoblach says.


There's nothing fair about raising people's taxes and fees to pay for a politician's incompetence.





Posted Wednesday, March 21, 2018 12:27 PM

Comment 1 by Rexnewman at 22-Mar-18 07:29 PM
Truth is, Dayton spent that money via his own neglect. We taxpayers have already paid at least twice what this system is worth, and now he wants more? Isn't he the one that thinks a branch of government doesn't really need any funding? I'll be happy to find those budget cuts if he can't.


Rambling Rose searches for the solution to gun violence


Looking for the solution

By Rambling Rose


No one of sound mind wants students to be put at risk. Yet few of the suggested 'answers' are real answers.

People march and protest to "do something." Some would rather be "out of class." Younger children appear to be the pawns of their leftist teachers. Some young people think that because they protest, adults will embrace their words and "fix" the situation: and all children will be safe (except the ones that they abort as inconvenient).

This week in Maryland, there was another school shooting where the shooter had an illegally obtained handgun. In Florida a young man used a knife to stab three people, one fatally, at a sleepover. Texans died at the hands of a bomber - a rampage that started on March 2nd and may have ended today if there are no more bombs yet to be delivered and if the bomber had no accomplices.

So, what do we ban? Guns? Knives? Bombs? Cars? Drugs? Alcohol? Nicotine? All of the above? Probably not. Since we do not seem to have the answer , maybe we should see what has reduced mass shootings: in Switzerland.

Some of the following data are from an article published by USA Today less than two weeks after the Florida shooting.

Only the USA and Yemen have more guns per capita than Switzerland, a nation of 8.5 million nestled in the Alps in southern Europe. But in the last 10 years, the Swiss have registered only 120 homicides and only one mass shooting in a legislative building in 2001.

Apparently, healthcare professionals report those they suspect to be dangerous and maintain a database of those denied gun licenses. While such referrals apparently were made regarding the more recent shooters in this country, officials did not follow protocols. Either that or they embraced the slap-on-the-hand discipline policy of the former Obama administration.

President Trump singled out the MS-13 gang in his State of the Union address. Since the street gang comes from Central America, does the open border permit their infiltration by members and ideology to increase? Switzerland has banned the entrance of immigrants from eight countries. Justices in this country have issued injunctions against such practices by the Trump administration.

Citizens in this country arm themselves for protection or to commit crimes. Fewer purchase guns for hunting or sport. The reverse occurs in Switzerland. "The Swiss Shooting Sports Association has about 3,000 clubs across the country, including a youth section where children as young as 12 learn to handle and shoot a gun safely. Last year, the Defense Ministry contributed about $860,000 for training, and the government donated 10,585 army assault rifles and 930,000 rounds of ammunition to gun clubs."

Following the shooting of a champion skier by her estranged husband in 2007, the government ordered that the ammunition for rifles issued to military personnel be kept at arsenals. Anti-gun activists felt that the rule was not inclusive enough since it did not apply to weapons owned by civilians. 56% of the voters rejected the referendum in 2011 because they believed "that Swiss gun owners didn't need any more restrictions because the existing laws regulating the sale and licensing of private guns were stringent enough."

Before we augment the number of laws we need, we need to enforce the ones that we have. With another march programmed for April 20th, do the protestors and/or their organizers admitted that students have broken truancy laws in order to demand more laws for others?








How about RESPECT? For the "inalienable rights of all."



Posted Wednesday, March 21, 2018 4:56 PM

Comment 1 by JerryE9 at 22-Mar-18 09:09 AM
None of this is about real solutions. It is all about the fantasy that government can make everything good for everybody. Yes, if there were no guns, nobody could be shot. Guns exist. If there were no evil in the world, evil deeds would not happen. Evil exists. Grow up, kiddies, regardless of your age.


McCabe assisted by ABC's hatchet job on Jeff Sessions


If ABC's hit piece against Jeff Sessions was meant to rehabilitate Andrew McCabe's credibility, it failed. ABC might've helped McCabe if it hadn't written "During his confirmation in January 2017, Sessions told the Senate committee that he had not been in contact with anyone connected to the Russian government about the 2016 election."

Saying that that's a shortcut through the truth is understatement. Here's what was actually said :




Sen. Al Franken: CNN has just published a story and I'm telling you this about a news story that's just been published. I'm not expecting you to know whether or not it's true or not. But CNN just published a story alleging that the intelligence community provided documents to the president-elect last week that included information that quote, "Russian operatives claimed to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump." These documents also allegedly say quote, "There was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump's surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government."

Now, again, I'm telling you this as it's coming out, so you know. But if it's true, it's obviously extremely serious and if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?

Then-Sen. Jeff Sessions: Senator Franken, I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn't have - did not have communications with the Russians, and I'm unable to comment on it.


First, Sen. Franken either isn't too bright or he's exceptionally dishonest. (BTW, I can make a strong case either direction.) Then-Sen. Sessions said that he didn't "have communications with the Russians" as a Trump campaign surrogate . As a US senator sitting on the Senate Armed Services Committee, it would've been routine for him to meet with Russian ambassadors or government officials.

The context is important because "Sen. Patrick Leahy, (D-VT), and then-Sen. Al Franken, (D-MN), wrote a letter in March 2017 to the FBI urging agents to investigate 'all contacts' Sessions may have had with Russians, and 'whether any laws were broken in the course of those contacts or in any subsequent discussion of whether they occurred.'" Also important in terms of context is the fact that "McCabe authorized the criminal inquiry."

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The ABC article continues, saying "It is a federal crime for anyone to knowingly provide false information to Congress - or to a federal law enforcement agency. No charges have been announced against McCabe, and there's no indication that the FBI has recommended he be charged."

It's impossible at this point to know whether charges will be brought against McCabe. However, Christopher Wray told NBC that "I'm committed to doing things objectively and independently and by the book. I think that has to extend not just to our investigations, our intelligence analysis, but it also has to expand to personnel decisions and disciplinary decisions."




When asked specifically about the timing, Wray reiterated that the FBI followed its normal process. "I want to be careful what I can say about the process," he said. "But I will tell you that my commitment to making sure that our process is followed, that it relies on objective input, and that, most importantly, it is not based on political and partisan influence, is something I am utterly unyielding on."


The thought that Jeff Sessions terminated McCabe out of spite is understandable but it's completely wrong.



It's fair to say that ABC's hit piece attempted to help Mr. McCabe. It's fair to say, too, that Jeff Sessions followed the proper protocols in determining whether Mr. McCabe should be terminated.

Posted Thursday, March 22, 2018 3:30 AM

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Debunking Brenda Cassellius' counterpoint op-ed


Contained in Brenda Cassellius' counterpoint is a bigotry that's frightening. Contained in Cassellius' counterpoint is a startling set of admissions:




American Indian students are 10 times more likely to be suspended or expelled than are their white peers.

African-American students are eight times more likely to be suspended or expelled than are their white peers.


By themselves, these statistics are meaningless. From Cassellius standpoint, though, they're proof of racism. Then Cassellius makes this statement:






Contrary to Kersten's claims, no one wants to take away a principal's ability to suspend or expel a student for violent offenses or criminal activity, which we all agree will never be acceptable.


That isn't accurate. The Promise Program was implemented by the Obama administration. According to Paul Sperry's reporting , its stated goal was to "slow the 'school-to-prison pipeline.'" The end result: "[Nikolas Cruz] had a clean record, so alarm bells didn't go off when they looked him up in the system," veteran FBI agent Michael Biasello told RCI. 'He probably wouldn't have been able to buy the murder weapon if the school had referred him to law enforcement.'"

It's obvious that the goal of the PROMISE Program was to not report bad behavior. Then there's this:




Broward school Superintendent Robert W. Runcie, a Chicagoan and Harvard graduate with close ties to President Obama and his Education Department, signed an agreement with the county sheriff and other local jurisdictions to trade cops for counseling. Students charged with various misdemeanors, including assault, would now be disciplined through participation in "healing circles," obstacle courses and other "self-esteem building" exercises.


Thanks to the PROMISE Program, Nikolas Cruz had an unblemished record, which allowed him to get the gun that killed 14 students and 3 teachers. Cassellius said that "violent offenses or criminal activity ... will never be acceptable." It's not only acceptable. It's policy. It isn't just policy. It's that ignoring the PROMISE Program's policies will get federal funding cut and get the school investigated by the US Department of Justice.








Minnesota needs an educated, skilled population to ensure shared social and economic success. An education system that works for all students must be our highest priority, and the truth is that currently, school discipline practices are hindering too many of our children's chances at academic and social success.


This is BS. In the 1940s through the 1970s, we were told that disciplining students was stifling these students' abilities. The leader of that movement was Dr. Benjamin Spock :




When Dr. Spock's book Baby and Child Care was published in 1946, its simple core message was revolutionary: "Don't be afraid to trust your own common sense." Between that and his insistence that parents should show love and affection to their children rather than constant strict discipline, Dr. Spock challenged the conventional wisdom of early 20th-century childrearing like no one else.


Actually, Dr. Spock didn't challenge conventional wisdom as much as he disagreed with the principles of the Bible. It's worth noting that once he became a parent, Dr. Spock started rejecting the principles he espoused as an author and child-rearing expert.



Finally, it's worth rejecting Commissioner Cassellius' insinuations that teachers are racist. She leveled the same accusation against Kathy Kersten. It isn't that she thinks this. It's that progressives utilize that tactic to stifle dissenting opinions.

Posted Thursday, March 22, 2018 11:47 AM

Comment 1 by Rexnewman at 22-Mar-18 07:18 PM
So since 90+ percent of prison population is male, ... her answer would be ?


ABM vs. Tim Pawlenty, Round 1


It isn't surprising that the Alliance for a Better Minnesota started attacking Tim Pawlenty before he's entered the gubernatorial race. This indicates who they see as the most formidable GOP candidate. Without endorsing anyone (I'm not a delegate to the GOP State Convention), this makes sense to me from the standpoint that Pawlenty has won 2 statewide races (in 2002 and 2006). Meanwhile, Jeff Johnson has lost 2 statewide races (in 2006 for attorney general and 2014 as governor)j

Of course, ABM is telling its readers that the moderate Pawlenty is a combination of the worst traits from the Koch Brothers and President Trump. It isn't surprising that ABM's fundraising letter focuses on Pawlenty and President Trump. It starts by quoting Gov. Pawlenty as saying "I agree with much of what President Trump is trying to do." From there, it jumps directly into saying "Those words came straight out of Tim Pawlenty's mouth last week, before he even announced his latest run for Minnesota Governor. This is why the Alliance for a Better Minnesota is committed to stopping Trumpism in Minnesota and why we're committed to holding Tim Pawlenty accountable for what he's said and done."

Honestly, I'd welcome a spread of "Trumpism" to Minnesota. Compared with the Dayton administration's incompetence, some Trumpism and, for that matter, Pawlentyism would be refreshing.








Let's simplify this as much as possible. Tim Walz will have tons of strife with mining because his running mate is a strident environmental activist. Yes, he'll win that fight but the strife will exist between him and Rep. Flanagan. Rebecca Otto won 1 district in the DFL's statewide straw poll on the strength of a strong turnout of environmental activists in the Eighth CD. If I had to guess, Otto is the frontrunner because Walz isn't crazy enough for the activists. That doesn't mean he isn't crazy. It just means he isn't as far left as Otto.

Posted Thursday, March 22, 2018 8:43 PM

Comment 1 by eric z at 24-Mar-18 04:36 PM
Pawlenty - State Convention? He's not even filed a candidacy with the CFB, has he? He's working money trees in Florida to run a primary challenge against Jeff Johnson, who will be the endorsed candidate. Or am I wrong, has he filed? Fact check it, Gary.

Response 1.1 by Gary Gross at 24-Mar-18 05:21 PM
He's formed an exploratory committee, which is the first step to running.


Jason Lewis's sincerity


The media bias that Jason Lewis is running against is stifling. For instance, this MinnPost article said "Yet Lewis was on the floor of the House on March 24, they day of the scheduled vote, railing against Obamacare and urging his colleagues to do the 'right thing' by dismantling it, something he'd been saying for weeks. Ultimately, Lewis was one of the last speakers to take to the House podium that day: he spoke minutes before Speaker Paul Ryan decided to pull the bill because it didn't have enough votes to pass. That episode is emblematic of the approach that Lewis, a former pundit on right-wing talk radio, has taken to Congress in his first year on the job. Instead of tacking to the center on key issues or keeping a low profile, as some vulnerable lawmakers faced with a difficult election might, Lewis has been an outspoken advocate for conservative policy priorities like gutting the ACA, slashing taxes and undoing scores of federal regulations."

It's appalling that the media would think that voting against repealing the ACA is "tacking to the center." The ACA still isn't that popular, though some low-profile GOP improvements have made the ACA less onerous on families. As for "slashing taxes and undoing scores of federal regulations", the US economy is doing better than at any time during the Obama administration.

It's interesting to see the left's explanation for how purple MN-02 is. This is a good example:




On the congressional level, former Rep. John Kline, a Republican, represented CD2 for seven terms. But the plurality of CD2 voters chose to send former Sen. Al Franken to Congress in 2014, and a 30-point majority voted to grant Sen. Amy Klobuchar a second term in 2012.


It isn't surprising that then-Sen. Franken garnered a plurality of the votes in 2014. His opponent wasn't a top-tier candidate. As for Sen. Klobuchar's victory, that's typical. Most people ignore the substance of her votes and vote for the personality.






Lewis' belief is that being clear and unambiguous about his policy stances will position him well for the election, and that voters will reward his authenticity even if they disagree. "Sincerity goes a long way," he said. "It's the difference between those members that are constantly dictated by the polls, and people who just say, I came here to do something, I'm going to do it. I just think having convictions is a real asset in politics."


The reason why American institutions have terrible favorability ratings is because people don't trust their institutions. People that find a politician who actually believes something are thrilled. People want to find a politician who believes something and can explain why they believe that.



That's Jason Lewis. That isn't Angie Craig. Look at how significantly she's changed on health care. This is from Ms. Craig's campaign website:




We must work to repair our healthcare system, starting with immediate fixes to the Affordable Care Act (ACA), and work toward universal health coverage. It's time to stop playing politics with people's lives. Many families, particularly those who are self-employed as small business owners and family farmers, cannot afford the healthcare available in the individual marketplace, but Washington has done nothing to help. Congress needs to work across the aisle immediately to stabilize healthcare costs for these families.

We can do this without giving up the good things that have come from the ACA. Current law has eliminated the penalty for pre-existing conditions, ended lifetime limits, allowed young adults to remain on their parent's insurance, and given tens of millions of Americans access to healthcare who didn't have it before.


I wrote this post to highlight this NRCC ad:

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That NRCC ad cost her the election in 2016. Just 2 years later, bold Angie Craig has morphed into timid, calculating Angie Craig. A year from now, who knows how she'll portray herself? This is what a calculating career politician that'll sell their soul does. This isn't about "tacking to the center." It's about selling out.

This is another thing that career politicians do:




Third, we need to stop suspected terrorists on the no-fly list from purchasing firearms and reinstate a rule recently repealed by Congress that stopped some people with mental illnesses from purchasing guns.


Banning people on no-fly lists from buying guns sounds sensible -- until people find out that those no-fly lists included Stephen F. Hayes, the Editor-in-Chief of the Weekly Standard, and the late Sen. Ted Kennedy. Had Ms. Craig gotten her way, law-abiding citizens would've had their civil rights violated because the federal government was incompetent. As for "people with mental illnesses" purchasing firearms, it's more likely that the federal, state and local governments will miss warning signs. That's what happened in Parkland.



Assuming that the federal or state government will promptly update their data bases is like assuming that career politicians will keep each of their campaign promises.

That's why sincerity, honesty and consistency are cherished by voters. That's why Jason Lewis stands a good shot at getting re-elected.

Posted Friday, March 23, 2018 1:22 AM

Comment 1 by eric z at 24-Mar-18 04:32 PM
Yeah, Angie Craig should be 100% for single payer now, instead of that sham. I think Erdmann is. He'd be a better Rep than Craig, but either would best the talk radio guy.

Response 1.1 by Gary Gross at 24-Mar-18 05:20 PM
When will you admit that single-payer has never worked anywhere it's been tried? California thought about implementing it, then decided against it because it would've cost them $400,000,000,000 annually. That's half of the US DOD's annual budget. Eric, I know you aren't stupid but I'm wondering if you aren't mathematically challenged if you can't see nobody could afford that.


Is Tammy Baldwin in trouble?


When asked which Democrats in red states are in trouble, most political junkies will rattle off the names of Joe Manchin, Heidi Heitkamp, Claire McCaskill and Joe Donnelly. I'm not here to question any of those names. I'm here to remind people that this list isn't comprehensive. This article reminds people that Tammy Baldwin has 'earned' a spot on that list, too.

As I've said in the past, the Marquette University poll is the gold standard in Wisconsin, just like the Des Moines Register poll is the gold standard in Iowa. If you want the low-down on the state of the races in Wisconsin, the Marquette poll is the most accurate.

According to the latest Marquette University poll , "a recent Marquette Law School poll of registered voters found Baldwin's favorability rating dipped three points over the past year, from 40 to 37 percent, while her unfavorability rating climbed from 35 to 39 percent." Simply put, incumbents with approval ratings under 40% rarely win re-election. That's because people already know them. There's little they can do to change people's opinions, too.

That isn't Sen. Baldwin's opinion, though:




Baldwin responded to a question about her low popularity by asserting, "We're a terribly polarized state, which I hate. When I started in political life running for office, people were ticket-splitters. There wasn't the partisan polarization that we see," claimed Baldwin.


Sen. Baldwin's ticket-splitting statement starts about 3:30 into this video:

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Twenty years ago, the Democratic Party hadn't gone off the rails. People could consider splitting tickets. Now that Democrats are lunatic demagogues, nobody thinks about ticket-splitting. Sen. Baldwin faces a tough re-election campaign.

Posted Friday, March 23, 2018 8:57 AM

Comment 1 by Chad Q at 23-Mar-18 05:18 PM
20 years ago there wasn't identity politics like today either and Ms. Baldwin fits right in with that. When you're known for being the first gay woman in the senate rather than your political accomplishments, you know you're in trouble.

Response 1.1 by Gary Gross at 23-Mar-18 07:18 PM
I vehemently disagree. She whined about there not being many ticket-splitters anymore. For her to win, she has to pray for lots of ticket-splitters who also vote for Gov. Walker. I don't see that happening.

Comment 2 by eric z at 24-Mar-18 04:28 PM
You say "lunatic demagogues." John Bolton.

Response 2.1 by Gary Gross at 24-Mar-18 05:12 PM
John Bolton's predictions have been vindicated more times than Hillary's been right. Bolton was right about NoKo, Iran & the UN. Hillary was wrong about the Russia reset, pulling out of Iraq and ISIS.

Comment 3 by Chad Q at 25-Mar-18 09:19 AM
What I was trying to say is that people have gotten past her being the first gay senator because gay is so passe and they are now on to wanting the first illegal alien as a representative or senator so she either needs to morph into a gay illegal alien or she's cooked because she hasn't done anything significant politically to get re-elected. No one who votes for Walker is going to vote for this woman no matter what she decides to do.

Response 3.1 by Gary Gross at 25-Mar-18 01:30 PM
That's fair.

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